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Larger governments gravitate up rather than down, further account to believe the people. they didn't mind large government if it was local government. but higher up the chain -- >> glenn: that's what everybody responds with the opposite direction here. for instance, take immigration. how would the founders view immigration today? what is happening in arizona? what would they do? >> founders look to immigration and said it was a state issue. i'm talking signers of the declaration of the constitution, and on the supreme court, immigration was a state issue. feds would protect the coast and the b...

At that point, we got -- nothing -- >> glenn: what is his name was in the pulpit, and rode down -- >> john peter gabriel mullenburg. he rode up. >> glenn: said you don't know what is coming. >> right. he had seen the attack in virginia, one of the first in virginia. happened in boston and other places and not in virginia. they saw it coming. it's interesting that even in virginia, excuse me, etch in massachusetts with the first shot at lexington, 18 guys on the ground. how come we didn't get any british? the leader, which is the pastor said you can't fire the first shot. once they attack you, ...

In god. thomas pain is up in the air. >> he believed in god but didn't believe in christianity. he said i'll stand before god and answer for what i do. he was god hostile. >> glenn: so here is the -- the idea was is that they would go and they would fight for another religion in court. they would stand up and say you have a right. they have a right. i'm not a member of their religion. that's where we've gotten lost as a country. we think that we have to impose our views on someone else. look, i'm a christian. i'm not offended by the minora. is anybody offended by the minora? have the minora up...

Bachmann. you know her. >> know her well. >> glenn: she's a spiritual, religion woman. we haven't talked about life but she knows she is in the cross hairs and she knows she is the biggest target and she will stand and she is not going to sit down. i can't speak for a lot of politicians because i don't have a lot of contact with them. i kind of like quarantine. one thing that i have met with is -- this is hopeful to me. i have met in the last six months with people in business, running large corporations and people worth tons of money. people who are very stoic and they're successful. i have s...

Back. >> i believe the back was the two heads of the anglo saxen brothers that brought them to england and the other one was that the three-headed eagle with the two wings? >> glenn: no. >> no? >> glenn: bonus points for knowing what you do know. most americans don't know that. the seal was moses parting the sea and the pillar of fire. that was the proposed seal by jefferson and franklin. >> jefferson, franklin and adams were on the committee. adams came up with a different seal. jefferson and franklin agreed on the seal with moses. >> glenn: in god we trust? >> it goes back to the 126 declara...