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>> well, it happened just a little while ago this evening. and so it was unexpected. and these are, you know, two pharmaceutical companies. i think they're related. it might just be one acting in their own interests. they have financial interests. they have pr interests. and they don't want their products used in executions. and so, you know, it's valuable to see yet another voice saying that midazolam is an inappropriate drug to use in this way. but for the sake of the prisoner, the bottom line is just that, that this drug is not appropriate for this purpose. >> one of the things that strikes...

Latest development. there has ban lot of legal wrangling around this remarkable plan in arkansas. what does it mean to you, how do you assess this intervention by the drug companies tonight? >> well, it happened just a little while ago this evening. and so it was unexpected. and these are, you know, two pharmaceutical companies. i think they're related. it might just be one acting in their own interests. they have financial interests. they have pr interests. and they don't want their products used in executions. and so, you know, it's valuable to see yet another voice saying that midazolam is ...

Injection in the death penalty. thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate your time. >> hi, rachel. thanks for having me. >> i want to ask you about this latest development. there has ban lot of legal wrangling around this remarkable plan in arkansas. what does it mean to you, how do you assess this intervention by the drug companies tonight? >> well, it happened just a little while ago this evening. and so it was unexpected. and these are, you know, two pharmaceutical companies. i think they're related. it might just be one acting in their own interests. they have financial interests. they...