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Donald trump find themselves in a position where they're desperate to keep investment going into saudi arabia. donald trump is democracy pratt to do whatever he can to basically play pr man for the saudis, just like he wanted to play ppr man for putin. he started on this show back in december of 2015 apologizing, mike barnacle, for vladimir putin being a murderer of journalists and being a murderer of political adversaries. i'm sorry, there is no explanation that donald trump makes a lot of money from the saudis and he doesn't want to upset them. just like the russians poured a lot of money in...

Sort of shape public opinion on this. believing that eventually it's going to be a report from mueller that through doj will go to congress and that's his audience. that members of congress and their constituents, the idea that they are the ones who will eventually weigh in and decide the president's fate. this is this dance back and forth. seemingly another shot across mueller's bow, suggesting we won't sit down for this. amp up the pressure. dare the special counsel to issue a subpoena. >> any insight into giuliani's strategy. if he's the president's pr man he's doing a terrible job. robert ...

Will he or won't he? today the president's lawyer and pr man, rudy giuliani, told nbc that a sitdown interview between president trump and robert mueller looks unlikely. giuliani said, quote, it does not look good but it's not finally decided. this after the president told reuters that he's concerned that sitting down with mueller could be a perjury trap. doug burns is a former federal prosecutor and back with us here on set. shannon pettypiece is a white house reporter with bloomberg news. shannon, let me begin with you. really this isn't something particularly new. we've heard giuliani say t...

Things of value. let's keep in mind there's photographic evidence that grant stern and others came up with that donald and donald jr. have known some of the people and involved in the russian meeting back as far as 2013. i think anybody who is a grown up, we all knew. of course donald knows about this meeting. and when we find out about the blocked phone number. two calls at the time of the meeting. i'm sure we'll fine out ffs donald trumps blocked number that he called. one other important aspect to this, there's no attorney client privilege here. there were people in the room at the meeting ...

That's why they pulled the adoption program. that was relatively benign. listen to the attorney. not just some random friend. he asked about this on new day. said this. >> so he didn't have anything to do with the statement that don junior put out that was being worked on? >> no. at the statement that don junior put out -- you talking about yesterday's? >> the one over the weekend. >> no. that was written by donald trump jr. in consultation with his lawyer. at the "new york times" is wrong. >> is that shocking that sometimes they make a mistake? >> what is shocking would be chr chris, if the p...