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But one thing the white house has been clear on has been sort of condemning jeffrey epstein's alleged crimes and distancing themselves from him and what he did. and the president has made it a point to do that as well. now, i'm not saying that can erase the time they spent together in palm beach, the photos of the two of them together, the fact that when epstein's address book was leaked he had i believe it was 14 numbers for the president, his wife, his daughter, people in his orbit. there clearly was a relationship there. it has seemed to have genuinely cooled over the last decade or so, and...

Now, i'm not saying that can erase the time they spent çó together in palm beach, the photos of the two of them together, the fact that when epstein's address book was leaked he had i believe it was 14 numbers for the president, his wife, his daughter, people in his orbit. there clearly was a relationsh)p there.e1 it has seemed to have genuinely] cooled over the last decade or d so, and that is certainly the pr message that the president and 1 the white house is pushing and wants the public to understand. >> so phil rucker, let's be sure we have this right. the president wanted a cabinet sec...

Of condemning jeffrey epstein's alleged crimes and distancing themselves from him and what he did. and the president has made it a point to do that as well. now, i'm not saying that can erase the time they spent together in palm beach, the photos of the two of them together, the fact that when epstein's address book was leaked he had i believe it was 14 numbers for the president, his wife, his daughter, people in his orbit. there clearly was a relationship there. it has seemed to have genuinely cooled over the last decade or so, and that is certainly the pr message that the president and the w...

Report potentially with an eye toward concealing parts of it from the public, but on the other hand, he knows that saying that hiding the mueller report is his policy and is a loser in terms of public opinion. you just saw this the other day. 420 members of the house voted in favor of releasing the report and that unanimous sentiment in the house, i think, also mirrors what the public want, too. >> that was held in the senate because of senator lindsay graham, we should point out. >> yeah. unfortunately. >> which some folks read into because he has been supportive of the president in many ways...

Winning the pr message. and what kushner is saying here is let's slow down. even though we're three weeks -- approaching the three-week mark on the shutdown, a national emergency should only be used if we're actually willing to start moving dirt and putting up the barrier. >> what about the acting chief of staff mulvaney. do we know where he is on this? >> mulvaney, from my reporting has been, i would say, among the most consistent and most persistent, if not loudest voices in favor of this. and that goes back -- this predates his new title of acting chief of staff goes back to when he was omb...