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What his message has been is, if we do this, we have to be ready to build the wall. it has to be a means to an end and has to be the wall, not the shutdown. >> so kushner is saying don't declare a national emergency? >> well, he's saying if we -- if the white house, the administration is ready to move dirt and ready to act on a border wall, then he suggests -- he would be -- fall in line with this. but remember, this is a trump white house where messaging often runs the day. i mean, you look at the senior staff in the white house right now, i could come up with close to half a dozen people who...

Crime. it's called argument alternative. basically you put out theories, any one will establish your client's innocence. and can be contradictory, like i wasn't there, and the thing i did while i wasn't there is illegal. the problem is, usually one use is more convincing than two excuses. as a pr message that's pretty muddled. under no circumstances no matter what you thought happened the president didn't commit a crime. >> and given that platform on the sean hannity show. gabby, what did you learn over that hosting over the hours, anything new? >> it was shocking to see two of the president's...

>> i mean, i'm sorry. this is just gross. can i just say it's gross? >> you just did. >> like it's a pr message and her brand and all this stuff. the end of the day this is a woman that talked about caring about children, during the campaign, after the campaign she said she was a champion of women and kids. day after day, week after week, month after month. she is part of a white house that has designed a policy to rip children from their parents. and she's tweeting about it now? when it's pr disaster. >> says it's time to focus on reuniting them. >> it's outrageous. and she should -- we shoul...

They like his pr message, which is, you know, to try to discredit mueller and the whole team and the investigation, but as to the specifics about what the president's going to do, and what the legal team is going to do, not so much. >> jim, what are you seeing in terms of tension from the legal team? we should say, there's only been tension whatever legal team it seems the president has had. >> reporter: there are tensions inside the legal team. there was one person who was referring to this as an s-show, i'm not going to use the full expletive there, when describing rudy giuliani's performanc...

Acting illegally? >> he's trying to position his pr response to this for his people. i mean, that's clearly what he wants people to believe. that's what he's going to say. the president has done nothing to stiop this investigation. on cnn the night this was initially delayed and every democrat was sure the president was going to block this. here it is coming out tonight. he said he was inclined to release it. the fbi worked on it with congressman schiff. here we have it. i don't think the president is doing anything to block the investigation. he could be mad about it, but there is no blockage...