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Interview with fox the other night, with laura ingram, that it is having an effect on the white house despite what the president was telling the "new york times" last night. let me play diane feinstein at the social media hearing yesterday to the people from google and facebook and twitter about this russian interference. >> i must say i don't think you get it. i think the fact that your general counsels, you defend your company, that what we're talking about is a cataclysmic change. what we're talking about is the beginning of cyber warfare. we are not going to go away, gentlemen. and this is...

Good-natured. mark halperin of nbc, who is on leave right now, denying some of the allegations. we're seeing apologies as well. first, i want you to weigh in on do you buy the apology? do you think they actually mean it, or are they only saying it because they're supposed to? and, b, why is there always a caveat attached? why not i'm sorry, it's wrong, period, end of sentence, moving on? >> well, i think you've hit the nail on the head, and the problem is, it's a culture issue, right? it's attitudes and behavior that are going to take a long time to change and fix. nothing is going to change u...

Little longer. >> and if he doesn't cut the cord, does the word "draining the swamp" mantra go out the window? >> i think this is the core of the problem, right. it is not just being mad about bad headlines. it is that this issue cuts to the very core of what donald trump presented himself as, as somebody that was going to come up, break up swampy washington that is about corny canpitalism and not in the public's interest and change that. when you see your secretary living high on the hog, your cabinet secretary, and using taxpayer dollars to fly around privately when it's not necessary to do ...

Espousing white supremacist you're dead wrong. but if you went with intent to violently oppose this march, you're wrong as well. one might be worse wrong. but going there to bust crackers in the head you're wrong as well. >> nobody said that. >> but wrong was in respect to violence. not in respect to the purpose of the -- there was not two wrongs in respect to the purpose of the assembly but in respect to violence there were two wrongs. violence on both sides. >> i've gotten a chance to talk to some of the people there, including people who are quite well-known people. they said that had it no...

Two wrongs. there was violence on both sides. >> van. >> i've gotten a chance to talk to some of the people who were there, including people who are quite well-known people, and they said that had it not been for some of the anti-fashionist counterprotesters, more people might have been killed. in other words, i think that p antifa has a very bad pr problem now. i don't know. they should have just called them anti-fasist. nobody knows what that means and then they went there to try to protect people from violence. some of them may have dpot enout of hand, but i don't think that we've given eno...