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Local sort of guerilla type forces on the ground here. we talked the people sieng up. this word hybrid. i heard it from every one here. every one is acutely aware of hybrid warfare. it's not just military. it's also cyber and the disinformation like ned price is referring to, putting false stories aout there. the ukrainian government has done a good job at raising awareness here that you don't believe everything that you read and everything that you hear . he wrote the book, swimming about his time in pre-putin

Calls them terrorists. thank you very much. retired u.s. army brigadier general, a former u.s. senior defense official and attache' and the author, a u.s. army officer's experiences in pre-putin russia. you just heard our reporter and i can paraphrase it for you softening the battlefield. i mentioned some of the targets they've been hitting. clearly civilians are getting hit in this. some of the things that go counter to the propaganda that we're hearing. >> yes. the russians actually time is not on their side. and while they have this stumbling, clumsy, tentative ground offensive, they fired ...

Hours, odesa, i learns do many extraordinary things. and one of them is, after all this time, the feeling of the people on the ground, the feeling of the military, do you get any sense from them, a, that they trust the peace talks or vladimir putin saying he's going to pull back if you've had a chance to talk about that? and just about their resilience, which seems to be unabated in spite of everything over the last over four week, almost five weeks. >> reporter: yeah, chris. i think big picture, talking to people here, both civilians, military analysts here who are obviously watching the situ...

>> which, as we've shown, it already is awful. but let me ask you, general, if you think there is an awareness by vladimir putin or anyone is telling him the truth about what the military situation is. i'm going to reference something that molly, who we'll get to in a minute, reported yesterday they found fascinating out of odesa, and that is that the yaef is basically mining the shoreline there and also that one of the senior naval officers told her they will be fish food, referring to russians, and another person told her we will kill them, we will drown them. i'm wondering what you think tr...