And other people. but i never did and never will. and, you know, i believe in accepting responsibility for my wrongs of what i did. >> what about him? >> that was -- he's not. when i got indicted, when i got arrested, his manipulation towards everyone that he controlled, including me, who was giving him total loyalty, he said to me, it takes a strong person to reach inside themselves and say, i'm here because of me. you know what? he should look -- follow his own preaching today, right now. right at this trial right now. and reach inside himself and say, hey, it was my fault. i did this. i'm a...