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Was completely gutted where preclearance was taken out, there aren't many tools that the doj has to use. what they're doing is they're relying on section two, which is the remaining sort of standing section that prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, on the basis of, you know, race or ethnic background, they're using section two as their conduit to get to where they need to go. i don't know how successful it's going to be because there are a number of different ways that they have to establish that it actually has had this result. and that remains to be seen from the supreme court. but...

Rights bills because they knew the democratic party of that era could not be a partner in safeguarding those national rights and that's what has broken down that manchin and sinema at this point are still giving a veto to republicans who are unlikely to step in against what their fellows in the party are doing in the states. >> it is really -- it is so sad. charles, the doj is suing texas alleging that the republican-led state violated the voting rights act by drawing districts that discriminated against minorities. do you think the doj needs to be more aggressive in challenging these attempts...

Escobar. your reaction to what seems to be a classic case of gerrymandering. >> andrea, it's so good to be on your program. thank you for having me. yes, this is an extreme example of what actually has been going on in other states as well. we're seeing a very targeted strategic attack against our democracy, and one of those attacks runs right through texas with gerrymandering that is intended to silence hispanic voters, black voters, it's intended to also create -- ignore, rather, the growth in our population. according to the last census count, it was minority populations that have allowed t...

Merrick garland says it violates the voting rights act. >> texas violated section two by recreating redistricting plans that deny or bridge the rights of latinos and black voters voting in account of their race. >> ken paxton calling the suit, "the latest ploy to control texas voters." how do you see this playing out? section six which was the original section that had the preclearance gutted in the infamous case of shelly verses holder. you can't redistrict any way and

Against this sort of thing, going back to the 2013 shelby case. do lawyers for the doj say they have a path given the current supreme court and the current standards established, weaker standards established by the supreme court? >> you know, i think what we saw yesterday from the doj was an acknowledgement that had the supreme court not weakened voting rights act that this lawsuit wouldn't have been necessary because the maps that texas drew wouldn't have passed legal muster under what used to be section five and preclearance of the voting rights act. this challenge is coming at a time that w...