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Hypotheticals, but you just sort of wonder whether there's some end game people are thinking about. >> let's bring in andrea mitchell, msnbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports." >> good morning. >> give us a sense of where we are right now. you sort of covered this journey from let's start at 1949 from the afreed framework under president clinton with north korea to yesterday's comment of "fire and fury" from president trump. >> well i think that the shocking thing the first shocking thing was president trump's comments. they were thunderous and startling....

What would provoke north korea to use one of these missiles? ever? >> if the united states were to panic and launch some sort of preemptive strike, then there's no telling what north korea could do, either to south korea or to japan or to the united states. so, again, we don't want to panic. we don't want to stumble into a response that would be counterproductive. we don't want to make a mistake here, and the danger is that neither leadership is very experienced with these very high-tension stressful situations, so we need to get on the same wavelength. the united states needs to talk to north...

Calibrate. to be heard by kim jong un. and for americans, i think, look, especially people who didn't support president trump, this is the nightmare scenario that we have who people like me consider to be a thin-skinned reactive leader in president trump going head to head against a thin-skinned reactive leader in kim jong un. i think, you know, he just has to do his best to keep all options on the table to say that diplomacy will be a tool that is in his arsenal. it's not just going to be about bullying and empty threats. >> jon: diplomacy, obviously. but there is a military possibility as we...

Japanese or threaten the u.s. armed forces? they don't want to see a u.s. preemptive strike on north korea either with 70 nuclear weapons. so the only good thing that we can do in the short run is massively invest in ballistic missile defense. that is not enough. and then i think privately we'll have to tell him, look, if you people look like you're on the verge of a first strike, then we'll preempt you. and that has to be a credible determent step. >> are you surprised at the speed with which we've gotten to this particular milestone? >> well, i think all along when we find a situation that h...

And russia, all three nations agreeing to get tougher on north korea. will north korea listen? so far, all indications are that they won't. and, of course, this big question mark. will the united states launch some type of preemptive strike against north korea? the administration continues to insist that all options are on the table. but chris, based on my conversations behind the scenes, they still very much want a diplomatic resolution to this crisis, chris. >> nbc's kristen welker, thank you for that. i want to bring in bill richardson, former ambassador to the u.n., as well as former energ...