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I don't think he should have apologized, and i certainly don't think nbc should feel that it is under any obligation to start providing pressure groups, particularly those who say they are journalists, who are supposed to be neutral. journalists are supposed to be neutral in these controversies, to provide some sort of reparations it to them, and one other thing -- ever heard of telemundo owned by nbc? the second largest spanish-language network in america. it seems that nbc has given office to this already in a very major way. i think that demand its frivolous and should be ignored. >> martha...

But it must be enough fun that i continue to keep on doing it. the problem is that a lot of the journalistic profession, lot of people go into it because they are idealistic, they want to change the world, and my god, here's an ooiissue that affectse energy structure of our society which really affects our society, and i can be involved in this, so then they form pressure groups or lobby -- internal lobbying groups like the society of environmental journalists. >> i didn't know there was one. >> yeah, very powerful within the profession. it enforces a speech line, there are certain things you ...

What's it like? >> it's not fun, but it must be enough fun they continue to keep on doing it. the problem is that a lot of the journalistic profession, a lot of people go into it because they're idealistic, they want to change the world, and my god, here's an issue that affects the energy structure of our society, which is really affecting our society and i can be involved in this? so they form pressure groups or internal lobbying groups like the society of environmental journalists. mark: i didn't know there was one? >> oh, yeah, very powerful within the profession, and enforces a speech line...

What's it like? >> it's not fun, but it must be enough fun they continue to keep on doing it. the problem is that a lot of the journalistic profession, a lot of people go into it because they're idealistic, they want to change the world, and my god, here's an issue that affects the energy structure of our society, which is really affecting our society and i can be involved in this? so they form pressure groups or internal lobbying groups like the society of environmental journalists. mark: i didn't know there was one? >> oh, yeah, very powerful within the profession, and enforces a speech line...

Vote to confirm kavanaugh. >> it was a big argument she built up. chris matthews, your thoughts? >> well, i think there was a lot of thought in the fact that she spoke for almost an hour and asked for the time and dramatized it by setting it at 3:00 in the afternoon and voting for cloture but not saying she'd vote for final passage. two women on the republican side who were for confirmation behind her as supporters. i think the fact she showed due diligence in her preparation for her decision was, in a way, to build up a case that she will be able to make against the pressure groups on the lef...