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Following, she says "always the decision of any supreme court justice if and when they decide to retire and how they want to announce it and that remains the case today. we have no additional details or information to share at the white house" but there has been a lot of pressure, andy, on justice breyer to retire. you talk about this group demand justice launching the campaign, breyer retire, what do you think about that? the last guest says no, you don't really pressure a supreme court justice to step down. do you buy into that, andy? >> well, you do pressure them, but i agree, trace, with w...

And there haven't been huge restrictions in a lot of the swing states which have democratic governors in many cases. they think, okay, maybe it's not that important. what happened between november 3rd and january 6 last year? what happened was we saw the whole system we have according to voters at the state level and what happened in congress, that could be fixed. that's the crisis, right? the crisis is reversing the election votes. the real crisis is state legislatures are going to get rid of the election, the impartial election servers, pressure them, then overturn the results at the state l...

The crisis is reversing the election results. i'm for a lot of the voting rights changes that are in the two bills. the real crisis is that state legislators are going to get rid of the election. the impartial election servers. pressure them, than overturn the results of the state level. the house might sustain that. the state legislature. that's the republican plot. you know, there is legislation that has been drafted that has not been introduced to deal with. if you talk to democrats, they have complicated reasons why they're holding that back. they think they can get support for that. they ...

This is a perfect call, nothing was untoward here. even if i did pressure them, there's nothing wrong with that. so throwing someone under the bus for something that was fine doesn't work. you've got to pick one strategy or the onlier. >> thank you both for being here. cynth cynthia is a former federal prosecutor. up next, will the hearings change the public's opinion on the impeachment of president trump? steve kornacki joins me after the break. but first, there's a new front runner in iowa. just released poll of iowa's democratic caucus goers finds mayor pete buttigieg has surged to the ...

Levels. that is not about equality. when republicans talk about equality, they talk about equal opportunity. >> and what's wrong with that? isn't that the way to counter the argument. >> absolutely. >> by focusing on equal opportunity? and upward mobility. >> yeah. >> the opportunity to move up to stay up. >> how do you get that? it's not by turning the earned income tax credit into another type of federal benefit. it's not by taking restraints off welfare reform and continuing to dole the money out. lower taxes and less regulations. republicans feel like that's an old message for them so they...