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Integrity help facilitate these conversations. but that's why we need to see exactly what he's going to si about the context around that. and back to what i said about whether or not he was pushing giuliani to do this or whether he was simply trying to pull information from giuliani so that to keep giuliani from causing more damage than he might have already have done. so it's really about the context here. it is troubling that the connections were made, but i think we need to know a lot more about how -- what kind of pressure volcker was under and what exactly was the nature of the communicat...

Obstruction trap to hold this president on impeachment offenses. >> this is not a real impeachment. this is like a faux impeachment. >> reporter: but chuck grassley writing that the whistle-blower ought to be heard and protected. uninformed speculation is counterproductive and doesn't serve the country. and of course something to remember, volcker abruptly resigned after the release of the whistle-blower complaint and the transcript of the trump phone call. also the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine was scheduled to appear today. her testimony has now been moved to next friday. >> thank you ve...

Congressional staffers. only that it is urgent. joining us now is analyst retired admiral and former pentagon press secretary. admiral kirby, great to have you. it's described as highly unusual and cryptically worded, the request from the state department ig that he come today to speak with congressional staffers because he has an urgent matter. what do you make of this? >> well, clearly in my view it's got to have something to do with the documents in question here. i mean, remember what the committee's asked for. they subpoenaed -- they obviously wanted to depose some witnesses. but they als...

The story as people try to cover themselves moving forward. >> this is also why it's going to be so important to hear from volcker tomorrow. because it's important that it was kurt volker who asked giuliani to intercede. you hear again in a transcript of that phone call that zelensky wants to talk to giuliani. he says i want to talk to your guy giuliani. >> he may very well have. that's a big problem for mike pompeo and the state department. it's like one of these games where at the end of the day, someone is going to be holding the blame. and these guys are running around. >> it's the worst t...