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>> well, and let's keep in mind that the sons will be in a position to simply wink and nod to dad that they like somebody or they don't like somebody. and remember, donald trump's long history here, thousands of cases where he didn't pay his workers, he didn't pay his vendors, they could decide not to pay people. is somebody going to take them to court for not paying their bills and risk the wrath of the president of the united states? this, by the way, i think leaves donald in a very vulnerable position. if at any point the republican leadership decides that they would rather have president m...

Go after him. >> if donald trump hands control of business to kids, will that prevent conflicts, yes, 26, no, 70. don't know, 4. so ron klain, america passed that test. 70% got that right. >> and as i said, i think over time, people's appreciation for the kinds of conflicts, the kind of information david has brought to the public's attention will really get more and more acute. and we'll see more and more of these things. right now, i admit, it's a bit abstract. conflicts is an abstract concept. all of this is a little hard for people to process, but i do think that the nature of this will bec...