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Fear of losing political seats? >> that's nonsense. it's hard to go against the president that is doing so well, we have the lowest unemployment rate in over 50 years, red-hot economy, finally a president that's holding china accountable, no other united states president has done that, finally is pushing back on china, so we are doing incredible by well under president trump's leadership, so going against him is not necessary. arthel: is party loyalty more of a reason not to impeach or are you concerned that impeachment is bad for our country? >> well, the democrats have certainly weponized im...

To stonewall like you've done before, we're going to consider this evidence of obstruction. and i think where they are able to make their case is that simply on the facts that we know from a primary source, which is the transcript of the call that was made from president trump to the president of ukraine, you have a prima facia case. i think right there you have what is essentially a rebuttable presumption that he was engaging in something illegal. again, i think it's a national security issue, a constitution issue, the house is acting at the highest level of its power and it's time for the st...

And how. two defenses. first one, president was just enlisting the help of an ally with matters of corruption and william jefferson clinton mentioned that in a treaty. >> he showed no evidence in corruption in ukraine. all he wanted was the dirt on his political opponent, joe biden. >> so that's the second defense. by the way, i'm right about joe biden. joe biden held the money over ukraine's head until they got rid of the prosecutor that was looking at the company that his son was working with. those are all true statements. he was holding up the money. he did want to get rid of the prosecuto...

And i think where they are able to make their case is that simply on the facts that we know from a primary source, which is the transcript of the call that was made from president trump to the president of ukraine, you have a prima facia case. i think right there you have what is essentially a rebuttable presumption that he was engaging in something illegal. again, i think it's a national security issue, a constitution issue, the house is acting at the highest level of its power and it's time for the state department to put up or face the consequences. >> ashasha, jimmy, thank you ve much for ...

>> so, what's going on right now, in the government is, you have to have an investigation to make a determination to make the case to the american people that you have a set of accusations that warrant articles of impeachment against the president. abuse of power is what this is going to fall as under the umbrella. i don't see making the treason case because i don't think they have it. abuse of power, what kind of abuse of power in your opinion warrants articles of impeachment? >> i've spent my life working on foreign policy and national security. what offends me about this is that the preside...