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Pressure. now is the time to put the pressure on even further. at the same time to say to the iranian people this is because of the regime, not because of you. if you have a new regime we're very happy to work with you. >> bill: mike pompeo will be out in 30 minutes. former secretary spencer did not hold back in an interview. he believes the president does not understand chain of command especially down line in the field. here he is on the interview now. >> what do i stand for as secretary of the navy? good order and discipline of the united states navy. that's the prime tenet. this erodes tha...

Blasting the president's move to prevent the navy from reviewing gallagher's case, saying "it will have a negative impact among the rank and file." >> i don't think he really understands this whole definition of a war fighter. what do i stand for a secretary of the navy? order and discipline of the united states navy. that's a prime tenet. this in fact erodes that. i cannot, in my conscience, do this. >> harris: national correspondent jennifer griffin following the latest on this from the pentagon. jennifer? >> harris, we expect a student from the navy today that it is canceling the navy tried...

And permitted to retire. >> reporter: spencer says that was because esper was traveling overseas. >> i will take the bad on me for not letting him know i did that but he was informed because his chief of staff was briefed on it. >> reporter: spencer said he was trying to head off an order from president trump, which as he put it in his resignation letter, "i cannot in good conscience obey." what did you mean? >> well, what do i stand for as secretary of navy? good order and discipline of the united states navy. that's a prime tenet. this, in fact, erodes that. >> reporter: what's wrong with fo...

We have to have good order and discipline. it's the backbone of what we do. what do i stand for as secretary of the navy? good order and discipline of the united states navy. that's a prime tenet. this, in fact,' roa erodes that. >> mack, how surprised were you to hear the former secretary speaking out? >> i don't know secretary spencer. but i frankly, was not surprised. i think you can tell by not only his words, but his tone and gleam or, craig, he spoke from the heart and believed what he said very strongly and sincerely and spoke in my mind as a patriot in doing that. president trump has g...

Disheartening part about this. i think many people expected when it came to the military that donald trump would be hands off. he wouldn't touch the military. now we see he's treating the military like he treats any other department as his which is it's his. it's for his own political interest, not the nation. i think that's where he crossed line. people were expecting not the military, everything else but not the military and he's the commander in chief and look what he's doing. >> this disturbing story gets more disturbi indisturbing. distg >> what do i stand for as secretary of the navy. go...