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That notion, i want to dig into that, because you're calling it the outrage cases. and i think it absolutely, it sparks outrage to think about the level of defamation, which of course, he was found to be liable for, but also the duration, the extent of it. i know that his attorney wanted him to calculate it from the idea that it was like $14,000 an hour for every single hour he talked about it, to the tune of about $250,000. they far exceeded that notion. you have an opinion about the idea of how these outrage cases continue to be in the headlines and and perhaps setting a difficult precedent ...

Hogan was a privacy case, as you correctly stated, but with a speech defense. these other ones, today, they characterize this as a defamation case. when i looked at the default judgment, the default was on an intentional infliction of emotional distress claim. i don't know that i would call the trend difficult or disturbing. i think what i would call it is the by-product of this technology we have, where information is traveling at speeds we never anticipated before. and being disseminated so broadly, that we haven't accounted for it in the law. so juries are taking that mantle. they're accoun...

This case really points out to you there is the court of law and the court of public opinion. there's a lot playing out on social media as you well know. how do you see this case? is it leaning in one direction or the other? >> it's hard to tell. it doesn't act like a defamation case, privacy case, general reputation type claims. the case is really presented more like almost a classic he said/she said domestic abuse/domestic violence case. for instance, you know, they're not engaged in sort of historical arguments over speech, such as an actual malice standard like i recently had the palin cas...

Time and in the same ways that libel laws can be used by rich people to fight on small things, they can also be used to keep the secrets of russian oligarchs out of places and be used, in the case ofjohn, more a privacy case, but our courts are making it harderforjournalists. making it harder for journalists. this making it harderforjournalists. this is true. courts favour the rich and powerful and it is important journalistically, any of us as journalistically, any of us as journalist could find ourselves in a position to challenge some of that status quo, to challenge both pressure from weal...