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Something about this issue -- >> a problem that doesn't exist. >> and then the lawmakers say, what else are we going to do? we have to do something. we have to hold hearings, issue subpoenas. it's not just a matter of subpoenas. it's, as you mentioned earlier, the substance of it. what it is that they are seeking and the privacy component of it. >> cnn has a new poll. it shows that 78% of republicans don't believe biden legitimately won despite having no evidence. this is where republicans stand. how can you have a democracy when the losers won't accept that they lost? >> and i think we're rea...

Relieve pressure on republican lawmakers to do something. >> how much of this gop effort in pennsylvania is about spreading disinformation to keep this fraud, you know, on the front burner? >> well, it's really very circular when you look at it. you have lawmakers lying to constituents. you have deceived constituents demanding that lawmakers do something about this -- about this issue. >> about a problem that doesn't exist. >> and the lawmakers say, what else are we going do do? we have to do something. we have to hold hearings. we have to issue subpoenas. it's not just a matter of subpoenas. ...

It's an old program. it's not something that was just made up in the last few years. chris, the bottom line is, it's a legitimate question coming off the 9/11 and patriot act how we create the balance between the privacy component as well as the needs -- >> we're grown up about this. thanks so much, gentlemen. robert gibbs and michael steele. by the way, michael co-authored an e-book called "the recovering politician's 12 step program to survive crisis." coming up, what is president obama fighting for in his second term? where does he want to take the country in the next 3 1/2 years in repub...

Discernment about in the news media to explain to people what it is. >> is boehner right, the speaker right in saying the president owes it to the american people to justify this program? you're laughing. is it a good call for him? >> it's an old program. >> i'm laughing because john boehner has voted to reauthorize this program on at least no less than three occasions. >> right. it's an old program. it's not something that was just made up in the last few years. chris, the bottom line is, it's a legitimate question coming off the 9/11 and patriot act how we create the balance between the priv...

Discernment about in the news media to explain to people what it is. >> is boehner right, the speaker right in saying the president owes it to the american people to justify this program? you're laughing. is it a good call for him? >> it's an old program. >> i'm laughing because john boehner has voted to reauthorize this program on at least no less than three occasions. >> right. it's an old program. it's not something that was just made up in the last few years. chris, the bottom line is, it's a legitimate question coming off the 9/11 and patriot act how we create the balance between the priv...