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Called representing the president, if the president wanted him to do it. and i think one of the big gaps here, don, we don't know when he was telling mark meadows because mark meadows ultimately refused to testify. he was very useful in terms of turning over his emails that have become quite incriminating, but, you know, all we have here is hearsay about what was headed said during by the president during -- . cipollone can't say what his conversation was with the president because he has a privilege issue. so, he talked around it. it would really be useful to know what people said to him prec...

On the privilege issue, i can talk about conversations with the president. but i can generically say that i said, you know, people need to be told. there needs to be a public announcement, fast, that they need to leave the capitol. >> and pat, could you let us know approximately when you said that? >> approximately when? almost immediately after i found out people were getting into the capital, or approaching the capitol in a way that was violent. >> do you remember any discussion with mark meadows, with respect to his view that the president didn't want to do anything, or was somehow resistan...

Statements that cassidy hutchinson testified to. >> quickly, barb, before i have to let you go, we have heard pat cipollone he is in negotiations, he might sit down and give answers in a limited setting to only limited areas to avoid that privilege issue. but let's be frank, barb, do you think it was possible there was a little dance behind the scenes between cipollone and the 16 committee that was, hey, serve me with a subpoena, or so you are so i can come in and answer your questions now? >> i do think it is a possibility katie. we referred to that as a friendly subpoena. there are people wh...

Probably a pretty significant tactical error on their part because, as carrie points out, he'll very easily be able to potentially be able to dodge appearing by litigating the issue and essentially timing out the committee. >> hey, carrie, we are just literally right now getting new reporting that pat cipollone will probably agree to a transcribed interview with the january 6th committee limited to specific topics to avoid a privilege issue. what do you make of that? >> so, that's very interesting. that would align with the one possibility i mentioned, which is that he would have had a prefere...

President, from his closest aides. and cipollone is aware of what happened. and he can provide a dramatic picture on camera in the hearing room of what happened. they've got a lot of this evidence already from his aides. but they want him in the room. and also the meaning of the testimony thus far is an airtight case. might not get donald trump indicted, but it sure shows that his aides were complicit in this conspiracy to keep the vote from becoming real and joe biden being the dually elected president of the united states. >> if pat cipollone was trying to do the right thing in trying to sto...