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the committee has called him, quote, uniquely positioned to testify. the understatement of the year. just think of what he knows. think of how many times you out there heard his name from other witnesses during the hearings. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> on his phone, i remember pat saying to him, something to the effect of, the riders got to the capitol mark, we need to see the president now. and mark looked up and said, he do...

Creak unique position. he's not the private attorney of donald trump. not the personal attorney of any member of the administration. he's the office of the white house counsel. and the job was to give counsel to the office, irrespective of who the office is. he has a lot to offer. but are there moments they can get to that won't include the privilege nature of conversations, as well? >> if the committee allows pat cipollone to carve out one-on-one conversations with cha donald trump, you wand to go to court and fight for those. you don't have the time to go through that litigation. there's ple...

To because of his committee assignments that i do not have. it's incredible frustrating. in those circumstances, look for a demon. there are demons and the circumstances, they are too numerous to name here. in this circumstance, there is a demon. but that demon is the law of our own creation. it's called the presidential records act. that is the demon that you are after, here. that is the only reason we have got this issue. the custodian of those documents holds and exercises a privilege on behalf of the bush administration. these are documents we would otherwise not have access to because the...