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Individual were a car, knife, guns, and let's talk about what it is in the system that doesn't flag this sort of personality early in the process. >> well, bob, is that the problem? we will get to you in a second, but is that the prob e lem, bob? >> well, the problem with this particular case, and ken is exactly right, because it is a multil multilayered case. you have the stabbings, and of course, he did have the guns, and the question of how we deal with the people who are mentally ill as he obviously was is a problem that we have been having for some time. but it is multilayered, and at the...

>> yes. absolutely. >> and ken, can we all agree that there are people who live among us who should not have access to semiautomatic weapons? >> yes, we can agree on that and that means that ewith have to change the laws who will not protect those who have those sorts of defects? >> you mean universal background checks then? >> no, what i am saying is that we have to make the information, make that the information public. i would agree with you that criminals with guns need to be stopped. and we need to start in chicago, illinois. >> what? what? >> that is how you want to end it? what? >> you ...