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You could just hammer away at reagan. you could hammer away at bush. they called bush a warmonger. bush said, you can't do that. the traffic is coming back harsh, because, and that's why i think it's so intense, because trump is a going to take it. >> dana: and also he has technology that others didn't have. >> juan: let's go to the point that dana was making. she said that the process argument is the president's best argument. the democrats say that the constitution says an equal branch of government. they have control. >> they have total control, but the way they are going about it is wrong ...

Way, they don't answer the substance. they make a process argument. >> i'm not sure the republicans will be decisive on this front. the democrats in the house have enough of a majority if they decide to move forward in the way we all think they're going to, this goes to the senate. fiona hill's testimony is important because it took ten hours yesterday. do you know how much information can get unpacked in ten hours? the drug issue is interesting. the rest goes to the timeline. it goes to the heart the that the national security council didn't know what ukraine policy was being transferred thro...

Idea is that they're going to do this kind of on their own, then that's how she's going to do it. and it's going to allow the republicans to make this process argument but it's not an argument on the merits. i think that's maybe the calculation the democrats are making, particularly if more shoes drop. eric: next week, gordon sunland, he is expected to testify, basically in violation of the state department's request and of course a lot of attention goes on that text t. let me read it to you, in which ambassador bill taylor raised questions about the supposed holding of aid versus the investig...

History. nixon called it a kangaroo court and a witch hunt. the echoes are clear. this was a desperate letter coming from the white house counsel. i think that's why we need to acknowledge it for what it is. they are fighting their own sort of ahistorical, aconstitutional argument here. in the meantime, it's going to go on here. but they don't like the facts emerging. that's going to get worse. >> the letter almost seemed to be taken directly from president trump's mouth. some of it was sort of written in a legalistic way. then other words, the call was perfect. by the way, the call was perfec...

Substance of what happened on the call of ukraine with some of the other issues the president has. democrats wanted to get donald trump out of office since he was elected and this is their latest chance to do it following the mueller report and following those investigations. i think this is something that you are going to see them hammer home in the next week or two. the question to me is how do house democrats respond and do they engage in the process argument that the house should pull a vote to have a formal impeachment inquiry or not. >> maya, you are the legal expert. the white house is ...