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They're fighting it entirely, almost entirely, on process matters. so they're not arguing -- we don't hear them arguing, anymore, at least, that there was really, you know, litigating the conduct of what the president did on that call with ukraine. of course, the president maintains that that was a perfect call, but they're focused on the process, they're focused on the whistle-blower, they're focused on the things that chairman adam schiff has done. they're focused on the way in which the democrats have gone about beginning this impeachment inquiry without that vote on the floor. pelosi sort ...

He wants rudy giuliani to testify. democrats have been leary on that on republican terms and diane fine sti dianne feinstein seems to be behind this. what do you expect? rudy giuliani would he appear if. >> if he appears in the senate he's made clear what his terms would be and if that is the way the senate hearing goes then it would make it difficult, i think, especially picking up on the process argument and the fairness argument for the house then to come back and ask the kinds of questions the house would want. it's important for people to understand there's a lot in that letter about due ...

The ambassador to the european union, he is not in the european union, he is someone dhochosen take the lead and he is at the center of this controversy. >> the white house argues this is a process argument. you don't have an impeachment inquiry, therefore we won't cooperate. the democrats think it's sub stan stant actubstantive, that they'e cooperating? >> they want an impeachment in the next couple weeks. they believe their view of obstructing these witnesses to come guard will add to the obstruction in the articles of impeachment. expect a subpoena to come. that was just announced moments a...

Whistle-blow whistle-blower, no, no, i was there. they knocked down that defense. instead of looking for the answers and looking for a defense that's true, they're looking for any defense that works. if the public will buy it, that's what they're looking for. >> you know, i'm glad you laid it out, david. you have seen each of these straw men as it were knocked down by the facts. yet the pushback continues. a.b., i wonders when you speak about this republican silence, some are willing to actively defend him. but the vast majority staying silent. how much do you think that's defensive in that re...

Remember, the first whistle-blower, it was hearsay. he wasn't even -- >> secondhand knowledge. >> we now have the transcript. had the speaker of the house, n nancy pelosi, waited 48 hours, we wouldn't be tearing this country apart, trying to remove this president. if she followed her own directions like every congress before, if she really thinks you should have an impeachment inquiry have a vote. >> the scatter shot defense presented by republicans saying the whistle-blower and the transcript and the notes of the call don't add up. and then making this process argument about whether or not th...