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Trump to win michigan and wisconsin thereafter. but if the democrats win pennsylvania, i don't know where trump goes to win. >> where would he go? >> i don't know. i think this notion that you can win new mexico or colorado, i don't see that. and i think that for joe biden right now, sort of going after those working class voters that trump stole from clinton, because clinton i think thought she was going to win those voters, is what this election comes down to. >> how do you think the impeachment plays into this? a new poll shows more people support the impeachment inquiry than used to. my ho...

The moderate republicans even now are still holding back on saying that this is bad and that they believe that this is something that is impeachable. so to the congressman's point and to your point, chuck, it's going to be really important how it is laid out. and that is why the democrats are doing this different than they did the mueller debacle, which is to have these closed-door hearings to gather all of the evidence because they are constitutionally charged with bringing the charges forward. and then present it in open hearings. and then that is the time that we, the media, do our job and ...

That trump basically was demanding that zelensky do a public press conference calling for an investigation into joe biden and that the understanding is that trump was going to withhold the aid if zelensky didn't do that. that is shocking and i think most americans are going to conclude that. what's interesting is no republican is defending the president on the merits. they just are making process arguments. >> there were some contradictions between what the opening statement revealed from bill taylor and what previously things had been revealed from eu ambassador gordon sondland, things that d...

Stories. do the democrats know they have a public hearing issue before them? because soon they're going to have to put this in bite size, understandable narrative fashion. >> i think that they do understand that. what you've seen from speakers pelosi is a message for her caucus to focus on what happened here, what was the smhake down, what was he doing in ukraine, and using all these statements to build out that narrative. to not take the bait into the process arguments, which is really where they got bogged down during the mueller investigation going to these issues of obstruction, arguing wi...

Joining me from capitol hill, nbc news correspondent geoff bennett. also with me "washington post" senior political reporter aaron blake. former assistant secretary of state and former spokesman for hillary clinton philippe reinus. and from the center for american progress kelly magzaman. she served on the nsc for the bush and obama administrations and worked with ambassador bill taylor. everybody, thank you. geoff bennett. steve scalise ordered pizza for the press. i was just speaking with a democratic lawmaker who called the move the republicans are doing desperate. regardless, it seems like...