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Is doing now. i think it would be a mistake for the democrats to rely on that exclusively for impeachment because people, the public might perceive that as kind of a process crime rather than the actual crime of soliciting help from a foreign power in your own election. >> i assume you share kim's point of view here that this ultimately is going to have to be decided by a judge or, if we're talking about the highest court in the land, a group of judges. >> yes. i don't know that that is inevitable. i think the house can go through the process. the constitution is very, very vague about the who...

Subpoenaed and whether or not he really wants to do that because there is personal liabilities associated with being subpoenaed and not showing up. so my take here is that this is a -- a game of chess and as the white house decides to move the pieces around as long as they could stretch this out, they're going to win. but i'm not sure they'll be able to pull that off. >> at the end of the day this is about giving republicans in congress something to focus on other than having to defend the president's substantive conduct and none of them want to go on record saying we have no problem with the ...

All those e-mails got out, right and george papadopoulos answered and said that's crazy are you kidding me? that would be treason. people get hanged for stuff like that. i would never do something like that. that is the transcript that george papadopoulos told me is still classified. now, i know you can't admit if that's it or not but let me just say if that is basically the conversation, that should have been given to the fisa court, right? that should have been made public to at least show us that george papadopoulos had that question asked of him and he said are you nuts? that's treason. >>...

Right? that should have been made public to at least show us that george papadopoulos had that question asked of him and he said are you nuts? that's treason. >> only if you want a justice system that's fair. that's the only reason it should be produced to a court is if you just a just it's system that treats people justly and fairly. that is what you describe is textbook exculpatory information it tends to show the person did not commit a crime, a crime by the way maria he was never charged with. george papadopoulos was charged with a process crime but never with colluding with russia but it ...

Rileyization of what thenis end up being, crime, collusion, horrible dynamic, the tip of the iceberg was met. they realized at that point that the place holder of hillary clinton was not going to be there. so the question becomes what else are they -- >> sean: did they protect her? >> the entire operation was meant to be protection of her, also getting the extra benefit of ruining donald trump. >> sean: okay. >> they everestimated her and everestimated themselves, underestimated donald trump. now it's not always easy to find out that there's a problem. but this, these questions we can't forget...