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They never speak. >> that is true. >> when you never speak and you speak sometimes, it carries a lot of weight. the president's team that constantly says it's a hoax and the 12 angry democrats, they're going to wave this around and credit the mueller team with getting something correct that's to the benefit of the president of the united states who constantly attacks them, even though they are public servants. they will be proving by waving this around that they actually credit the kinds of things that the mueller team says on occasion. >> in fact, the mueller team has charged a number of peop...

It shows generally speaking how much credibility the special counsel's team has. >> yes. >> yes. >> they never speak. >> that is true. >> when you never speak and you speak sometimes, it carries a lot of weight. the president's team that constantly says it's a hoax and the 12 angry democrats, they're going to wave this around and credit the mueller team with getting something correct that's to the benefit of the president of the united states who constantly attacks them, even though they are public servants. they will be proving by waving this around that they actually credit the kinds of thin...

Potential connections here. walk us through that. >> i mean, the buzz feed if true is describing the president saying i need you to lie about our conversation about the trump tower moscow plan. we know deep into the presidential campaign donald trump and the trump organization is negotiating to try and build a trump tower in moscow. donald trump wanted michael cohen to lie about this. this starts to fit into this broader pattern where we get a range of denials on any number of issues and find out that the campaign chairman was giving private briefings and polling data to russian oligarchs on a...

Step back and objectively examine whether we really want this type of thing to be done in a special counsel context. he made a great point, which was they already know whether he spoke to kisliak. the question is -- >> dana: if the f.b.i. knows the answer, so do they -- basically get nin flin to lie? >> here is the thing. what dershowitz is saying without saying it, i like his writings, is that okay, you know he spoke to kislak. his job is to determine that information, not you know it and now let's go in and set a mouse trap. did you speak to him? no. the grr, got him on the lie. trying to cr...

It is not russia. it is not russian collusion. >> yeah, that's true. and another thing you start to hear as well, that's just a process crime. i have never heard the phrase process crime until a week ago. you know another word for process crime? crime. people can come up with all the, you know, excuses they want, and it remains true that today there is no prospect of 67 votes in the united states senate to remove president trump from office. but, you know, that doesn't mean mueller is going to stop investigating. and more stuff keeps coming out. >> and i just think this fo fortifies democrats ...