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Investigation works, the last thing that you want to do in that investigation after you gather everything else is actually interview either target or an accomplice or accessory to the crime. you want to leave that to the last piece. that makes sense as far as the time line goes. i got to give it to the new york times. what it does is, it bolsters those folks that were upset of the fact that the dossier is discredited. so if there were other pieces of that application, which there were and this was one of them, it does make more sense into my colleague callan here, my only issue is we have proc...

A witness, or a potential witness, or a subject as they can accumulate before they actually talk to the person they are interviewing. that gives them the ability to assess the truthfulness, to follow up on leads and information they do have and they don't know the answer to, so, yes, it -- and this means that they're getting closer and closer to the president himself. >> you're shaking your head in agreement, james, why? >> i am, i mean, that's normally the course the way you would do it. the only thing that troubles me and i've had a number of people say to me that a lot of this right now are...

So, yes, it -- and this means that they're getting closer and closer to the president himself. >> you're shaking your head in agreement, james, why? >> i am, i mean, that's normally the course the way you would do it. the only thing that troubles me and i've had a number of people say to me that a lot of this right now are -- you got two individuals, manafort and one of his associates that pled guilty to conspiracy, shady business dealings. it didn't connect necessarily to donald trump. the second piece of those were two ancillary process crimes and those were lying to an fbi agent. and that w...

Terms a tempest in a tea cup. look at what we have thus far. paul manafort and an associate pleading guilty to conspiracy to conduct shady business dealings. two folks papadopolous and general mike flynn that pled guilty to title 18 usc 1001 which is misleading false statements, fictitious statements to an fbi agent. those are or those two specifically are ancillary process crimes, meaning it's not indicative of an underlying scheme. in this instance involving trump junior should have absolutely goen to the fbi, tawdry, unseemly, absolutely. that's part of politics. collusion is not a crime. u...

Notice of what it is that is being investigated, it really becomes almost like a general warrant under the fourth amendment that is the reason we have the fourth amendment. >> tucker: so if we come away from this, whatever happens, with half the country believing this was, in effect, a coup staged by the ruling class against a president they didn't pick, if people really believe that, that is a disaster, and should the justice department be doing everything it can to make sure that people don't think that, that they think this is legitimate? >> i think we have to let it play out, tucker, befor...