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Let's halt it. the problem is when you go to the supreme court, it's the same supreme court that let this horrible law go forward in the first place. and not only let it go forward, they were kind of sneaky about it. they didn't even have the guts to admit what they were doing. they kind of went on process grounds and didn't even bother to mention they were gutting roe v. wade for the women of texas. so, i don't see how the outcome is going to really be any good. i mean, either they're going to just say, okay, we'll just hold the stay or they're going to say, let's wrap it up. that's going to ...

I should tell you he did make some interesting and arguably valid critiques on process grounds, mainly that the impeachment inquiry as it stands now is too fast and too narrow. >> does that timing bother you from a historical perspective not only in the past but moving forward as well? >> yeah, fast and narrow is not a good recipe for impeachment. that's the case with johnson, narrow was the case with nixon. they tend not to survive and collapse in front of the senate. impeachments are like buildings. there's a ratio between your foundation and height. and this is the highest structure you can...

Abuse his office and then not be able to pull it off does not undercut in any way the impeachability of the act. >> do president trump's demands on ukraine also establish the high crime of bribery? >> yes, they do. >> have you formed an opinion as to whether president trump committed the impeachable offense of obstruction of justice? >> yes, i have. the mueller report cites a number of facts that indicate the president of the united states obstructed justice, and that's an impeachable offense. >> the other witness who testified today was jonathan turley, he was the republican witness and he's ...

Process grounds. republicans many don't think they have a choice. the bigger concern within the white house is two fold. one is that television is obviously visual medium in this world here, they know that there -- it could be powerful to see these witnesses testifying in public. that has not been the case for the other hearings, the house democrats have done. bob mueller did not go the way they wanted, corey lewandowski but they know and the president knows this could be compelling. already house democrats handling this differently than they handled the previous ones. staff attorneys are supp...

Process grounds. they've been saying that usually in the past these impeachments have started with a full vote in the house and wanted one this time. a judge obviously has said that that's not the case. now, that decision can still be appealed but you're right, this takes away a major plank from the argument that republicans and the president have been making for the better part of a month now on the argument against this probe. >> so let's talk about the activity happening on capitol hill where you are right now. ambassador phillip reeker, the latest member of the state department to testify ...