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>> well, why would they come out and say the president had nothing to do with it, if the president had quite a bit to do with it? >> look at this entire meeting. the whole way this unfolded. right? first no discussion, or recording of the meeting's then a few people in the room. then about adoptions. they just have dribbled out what actually went on there, much worse for than than if they'd come clean and admitted the whole thing at the beginning. it's sort of the attitude of this white house that you just take this first offense. we'll say it's about adoptions. and think maybe that's never go...

It's fine to have lots of perspectives. channel them into something that's actually productive. >> we know he reached out to the democrat leadership. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, house and senate respectively. a courtesy call. something any new chief of staff would do. is that all, or expect he will somehow try to bring a different approach? >> i think more hope now he could bring a different approach. perhaps, because someone needs to make nice with the hill. someone needs to get all of these people together and start working with each other, because as carl wrote today, the abject threats...

The house? obviously we are talking about what is going on in the senate here. the house has to pass it thereafter. and people have been observing this process haven't been super definitive that the house has the votes. do you think that the house has the votes? and has tonight's mishi goss affected the likelihood of it passing in the house tonight when it finally gets to them. >> that's a good question. dirg this debate and during the speeches by rand paul we saw house democrats meeting on that subject, whether they actually had the votes to actually pass this in the house. i think it is an o...