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Documents that congress has every right to see. but then arguing the process isn't fair. you know, you can't have it both ways but you sure can try and they are. >> one other thing about hearsay, people watch too much "matlock." because hearsay is part of many, most trials and is inadmissible in many fashions. >> and you're talking about those who are your eyes and ears overseas. we're supposed to be trusting a lot of these officials to conduct u.s. foreign policy overseas. so it's not just a matter of ukraine. what happens to diplomats from around the world now? >> not that you could ever wat...

Something they did not do. i'm sure he and his family have, in fact, suffered. this is a sitting judge on the d.c. circuit court of appeals. he is a sitting judge on the d.c. circuit court of appeals. for him to go after senators like that, trying to do their job, was shocking. and what was so interesting was the effort to kind of turn this around into being about the democrats in process when, in fact, since the summer this whole process has really been about the republicans and their refusal to let us get the fax. it's the republicans who have obstructed us getting to his record and kept tho...

He said/she said pageant today. and yet everything he said -- >> on purpose. >> on purpose. was about how this process isn't fair. when he was pinned down by senator durbin, why don't you just tell don mcgahn that you want the fbi to investigate? i have to say to me that was the most shocking part of the testimony. he's had days to think of an answer, and the answer was i'll do whatever the committee wants. but he wouldn't say it. >> it's number ten on this sheet we've got a whole bunch of bites cut. this is them going back and forth. it was a really striking moment. >> it's powerful. >> just ...

Request for impeachment because they believe the process isn't fair, well, mueller similarly benefits from the sunshine effect of the public watching the president trying to dodge an interview that no one else in the public life would be able to dodge. >> harry, the other piece is giuliani claiming this is all some kind of trap. take a listen. >> i think what we have to get clear is the fact that a lot of people interpret it this way, well, if he's telling the truth, why wouldn't he just go in and testify? hey, welcome to the real world. the fact is he is telling the truth. we're walking him i...

Back and forth, then mueller in many ways benefits by the public nature of this narrative. if giuliani is building a public narrative so people won't come forth and delusion their representatives on the hill with request for impeachment because they believe the process isn't fair, well, mueller similarly benefits from the sunshine effect of the public watching the president trying to dodge an interview that no one else in the public life would be able to dodge. >> harry, the other piece is giuliani claiming this is all some kind of trap. take a listen. >> i think what we have to get clear is t...