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For me than it would have been without the pandemic. i could've felt like i was reading a history of something weird and not that old but old enough to have nothing to do with my daily life now. but what you discovered in that book is that laboratories have been working with and playing around with vaccines for -- and terrible process pieces in the past. and the notion that things have escaped from laboratories involuntarily is something that we have seen before. and then, brings us up to last summer, and last winter, where you started contemplating the lab leak theory. just as others were. an...

To quiz him if they would do it hard enough. and i mean they can be tougher nan the media. right. >> and nernd it's like a murder board before you go in oral argument it should be harder than the case that's clearly not what's happening. . i said two noontimes nights ago the management of this and the timing all the process pieces were terribly mishandled. you all have been talking about another one which is the changing narrative. and that just goes to the original point. this is a repeated problem. the management of the psa repeated problem in the first four months. >> can we just talk about...

That they're not in the same -- that there's disorganization in the white house and they don't really have the power to quiz the president and get their story straight? >> they do have the power to quiz him if they would do it hard enough. they can be tougher than the media. and they should be. it's like before you go into oral argument, it should be harder than the case. that's clearly not what's happening here. i said two nights ago, the management of this and timing, all the process pieces were terribly mishandle. you all have been talking about another one a changing narrative. that just g...

>> let me go to -- do you want to respond? these process pieces. a minute with you here. to me that piece talked a lot more than -- there was a lot of backstory there, a lot of importance. you wrote about process, sure, about how the campaign can't have a coherent message. the biggest message was it doesn't have a clear sense of why he's running. joy, do you want to jump in here. he called it a process piece. that's an interesting shot. >> chris, it was interesting. that was a ceo talking to his board of directors about why they had a bad quarter and explaining it away. that was not a guy who ...

Republicans seem to have their mojo back, they appear more united than ever behind mitt romney, coming off this victory in washington and the president seems to have this surrogate problem undercutting the president's message. does the obama campaign seem off its game right now? >> not at all. thomas, i respect you and your colleagues at this network and around the country and the great national media, but a lot of times we all get caught up in the process pieces. this campaign, the campaign that i am supporting is, you know, it's about the citizens and the people of this country in a grass ro...