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We're talking about seeking data from 2017, 2018, and lacking evidence in doing, so and yet this proceeded nay, and it is now 2021 and we're only finding out about this. >> that's right. it's really going to be the tip of the iceberg, there's every reason to suggest. this is not just a process problem, right? you're seeing the fact that the department of justice was politicized effectively so quickly by an administration that took its turn with the president who had impulses. all the guardrails broke down. this is the real "wake-up call." this is not something that happens occasionally. this i...

Issue that's divided the two parties for some time and it's all about the financing and that is why -- you would think roads and bridges and everybody could get together or behind, they can't. there's also a problem for biden on the democratic side on this. on the politics and the process, because the concern among people like joe manchin is that they don't want to do this all alone. they think that they need to work with republicans, and they're not going to support going through this procedure, but reconciliation that can avoid a republican filibuster to pass it with 51 votes in the senate b...

Would have been with in the closed door deposition taking notes. i want to get your reaction to what is clear in the opening statement that the reason he came forward is republicans. he doesn't say republicans. but all of the complaints about hearsay testimony. and he realized that okay, i have something to say that is not hearsay. i have something to testify about that i was present for along with other elements of his testimony that support the testimony of other witnesses. >> yes. it's really interesting what we've seen throughout the open hearings are republicans trying different defenses ...

Retroactive makeup and they recognized they do have a problem. it's not a process problem. it's a fundamental american process. >> bret: if she gets the vote and moves forward and to be able you have to provide the documents. >> i don't like it does for practical reasons, and theory, it coded. look, i think she has done this because senator graham resolution condemned the house for its behavior to kind of highlight and going up in a few minutes. it says the more unfair than impeachment is, the process, the better it is for trump because it makes it much harder in the senate. it gives the case ...

The u.s. government and said we're not taking the u.s. government and using it for domestic interests, we're using it for our personal interests, financial interest and those around us. that's why we've moved into impeachment territory. if they're stuck in this process fight day in, day out, the american public won't understand the sort of magazinefy tud. >> i agree with the process piece. that's the white house's messaging, there's no vote. they're the ones arguing this is a process problem. verz we know treason when we smell it. we know what's happening right now is not in the public trust. ...