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No cbo score, no new cbo score here, there has not been a public debate about this current bill, there's been little time to understand the latest amendment, the upton amendment, is there a danger here? >> oh, absolutely. by the way, i'm old enough to remember when virtually every conservative in america said that sort of thing. you have a substance program, political problem but this process problem you are ramming through a bill and no question about it you don't know what's in the text. >> so why do that? >> what's the thinking? no well, you know what, because i think the strategy is once y...

$30,000 a year before they get a penny from the obamacare insurance. we have to get tax reform done and we need to restore military swrenk. if we can do those basic things that we commit can dorksding i think we'll do fine. but if we don't, we'll fail. >> there is a bit of a process problem. health care got dropped on congress withouten a understa a understanding of who is supporting it, and now tax reform. these are massive issues. you don't just sort of tell someone that you're showing up with it on wednesday and hope you get something done in the first 100 days. you're not getting things do...

Attorney general alert eed the white house to this breach about michael flynn a month ago how are we to believe that the vice president and president trump didn't know that michael flynn had had this conversation? >> john articulately turned into a process problem at the white house. it's going to prove to be a much bigger issue. essentially the president of the united states not only got sworn in but handed his national security adviser top security clearance knowing that he had done this, knowing that he had broken essentially the law when he went around the sitting president and assured -- ...

Civilian jobs. you have to know how the whole thing works. we've seen the process problem highlighted and the process problem should be highlighting the policy problem. we don't even know what their policies are, this administration's policy on russia, on north korea, on a number of things. it's because the whole process is broken. >> kevin, do you see it as an issue that none of these contenders come from a strong civilian background? >> sure. it's not -- i'm not so worried whether they have stars on their shoulders or not. i understand the concerns. it goes back to again where are the republ...

And his keconcern about the gre society and richard nixon came into office 1968 saying i have a secret plan to end the vietnam war, and you see the dynamic between president bush and president obama. obama was the reaction to the overreach in iraq, and so politics sets the parameters under which foreign policy is undertaken. that said obviously there's going to be, among other things a process problem here, that normally the combination of national security policy and within the political parameters of the moment that's the job of the national security adviser and the risk here is that you now...