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Is concerned about the continued strength of joe biden. and it also tells you just a little bit about who gets fired in this campaign and who doesn't. >> all right. joe johns at the white house, thank you very much. want to bring in jane harmon. she's a former democratic ranking member of the house committee. now the president and ceo of the wilson center. in a cnn political analyst. let's throw those poll numbers back up on the screen so people can see the hole the president was in or is in according to his own campaign polling. but his own campaign verified the reality of them to abc news. s...

Happening. this all signaled to moscow that trump didn't mind. we're not talking about that. we're talking about obstruction issues, issues about turning things over, and bill barr is out there saying no, the real thing is how this investigation began. not what it produced, but how it began. so i think trump and the republicans have turned circles around the democrats and have turned this whole story upside down and it's become a process story. we're fighting over who is going to testify where and -- >> mimi, walter dellinger had a piece, i think it was in "the washington post" this week, alon...

Election meddling. this coming head of the meeting planned for next week between rod rosenstein and house republicans. that interview will likely focus on that, and this, i suspect. >> kennedy: james baker is one of the top heads in the affair. he also played a critical role in obtaining the fisa warrants as well. what business with the fbi have meeting with michael sussmann, who was a dnc lawyer, who also was part of the firm that the higher infusion gps and the dossier which was used to obtain a fisa warrant? what business would james baker have meeting with someone like michael sussmann? >>...

They have meeting with dnc officials, considering the dossier -- >> jake: he says he wasn't even a dnc official. >> lisa: that was the law from that was intermediary between hillary clinton and fusion -- >> jake: they do different things. they have even said he wasn't even connected with the campion in any way. this is a lot of court with radio going on. this is a process story. the substance is that there have been 35 indictments and guilty pleas in this russian investigation and we are all waiting for there to be more, including people, by the way, who have said that they will cooperate with...

Won't succeed. >> but ariane, that's only going to happen if democrats agree to it. >> right. senator feinstein says, i don't know about this hearing, she wasn't told about it. she wants the fbi to come in and to investigate. but keep in mind, the fbi and even the department of justice said tonight, look, they were brought in, their role was to provide information. now, if the white house wants to ask them to do more, they could. but so far, the white house doesn't. so it's an interesting process story that's going to play out. and senator dianne feinstein is going to say, you know, maybe we s...