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But do you think we'll get clearer guidance on this mixing and matching of vaccines because everybody is asking that question these days. >> well, jim, you're exactly right. everybody is asking that question and it's a good question and i hope dr. collins is right, that within about a week, week and a half, we will have a definitive answer on that question. i sure wish we had it today. the data look good to me. as they do to dr. collins and i would hope that mixing and matching will be a recommendation shortly, but let's let the process work out. these critical advisory committees that look at...

Of the volunteer witnesses today. and, will continue that process, we'll have other subpoenas scheduled to come out. those who don't to agree to come in and voluntarily, will be criminal referrals. and make that process work out. >> joining us now, daniel goldman, the former in house -- majority counsel for the first impeachment trial. of donald trump. he's also former assistant u.s. attorney, from the sovereign district of new york. -- daniel, thank you very much for joining me tonight. there's a lot in one benny thompson just said, including that reference to they've already started question...

That, the ones not hiding. >> well, the only thing i can say is the committee will probably to those who don't agree to come in voluntarily, we'll do criminal referrals and let that process work out. >> and so while i put up a list of the 15 total subpoenas that that are out there, can you explain how that would work? let's say there are criminal referrals against let's say steve bannon or cash patel says he's not showing up and the criminal referral happens. can you walk us through what that process looks like? >> i'm not certain if the chair man decided what we'll do but there is a process f...

-- compliance or defiance this week. last week, the committee's chairman benny tompson said said this. >> we started questioning something of the voluntary witnesses today and we'll continue that process. we'll have other subpoenas that scheduled to come out to those who don't agree to come in voluntarily, we'll do criminal referrals and let that process work out. >> joining us is the former counsel for the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he's also former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. he's an msnbc legal analyst. daniel, thank you very much for joining...

Say is the committee will probably, for those who don't agree to come in voluntarily, will do criminal referrals and let that process work out. >> that is tough talk. he is using the legal language for something that can put people in jail. then there is a big deadline. "politico" reports that the deadline for trump ask to shield his records comes next week. trump, however, shrouded in secrecy. first walk us through what criminal reform means there. >> this is something that was missing in the last administration when they served subpoenas to trump officials and they merely thumbed their nose....