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Collusion, they believe there is an entirely different reality happening that he has created. until we fully understand how that process works, we're going to keep making the mistake of saying, what does he say in the deposition? >> is robert mueller the one person he can't gaslight? >> it becomes a defensive move. donald trump is very effective at a defensive measure when he's creating his own narrative. gaslighting doesn't work when you're not in complete control. that's why everybody has to understand he's his best master manipulator. he creates chaos constantly as a way of taking control o...

I testify in front of congress extensively. i wrote memos. i wrote written testimony. and so long as i continue to tell the truth and don't start making stuff up that's inconsistent with that testimony, i don't see an issue. >> dana: so, bret, james comey would understand that about how that process works. but there is a concern that the members of congress have been asking to see a lot of this material and he hadn't provided it, but he was able to write about it in his book and then talk about it on lots of different news casts. >> and leak it to the "new york times" through a friend, who lat...

Him. he has to throw some red meat. and that seemed to be what he is doing. he does not appear to understand how the legislative process works, how daca works, and is counting on, apparently, members of his base not understanding those things either. >> and we talked about some of the mixed messaging about the stock market. here we have it again. it wasn't long ago the president was touting the lower number of border crossings. i just want to remind folks. >> since the day of my election, we've already cut illegal immigration at the southern border by 61%. i'm very proud to say we're way down ...

Stay? is that what you're trying to say here? >> look, you know how the legislative process works. we're going, we're going to go back there and we're going to look at what kind of tax situation we're going to have, that it's fair to everybody. that's what we're going to do. but the bottom line is these taxes to the wealthiest and the big companies are not fair. they put a burden on state and local governments and put the burdens on shoulders of working people. it's not just the tax cuts. it's also the budget impact that tax cuts are going tomorrow. those things hurt working people and we're f...

People are smart. they know, they know they're being played. >> is there a commitment there the tax cuts for working class folks, for middle class folks stay? is that what you're trying to say here? >> look, you know how the legislative process works. we're going, we're going to go back there and we're going to look at what kind of tax situation we're going to have, that it's fair to everybody. that's what we're going to do. but the bottom line is these taxes to the wealthiest and the big companies are not fair. they put a burden on state and local governments and put the burdens on shoulders ...