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Meticulous way the holes in the romney strategy. he tried to do that. bill clinton does it in a warm and empathetic way. and president obama did a little bit of that but in this very disengaged law/professor-type of approach. some people think it is harder for the president to be nasty, be tough because then he comes across as an angry black man who is going to scare people. i don't know, but for whatever reason it -- he just did not push back. he did not engage. >> i think also the lack of audience noise was an issue and the way the debate was staged. it added to this lack of energy. remember...

Like at&t and t-mobile and there is the market thing. if you go to the economy, if we agree at 2 percent a year, compared to 3 percent a year and look at the effect of 1 percent increase in growth, it sounds small, but over 10 years, that is $1.7 trillion in government revenue. at 18 percent. >>neil: you can grow your way out of problems. >>guest: and 11 million more jobs. so the real question is, how do we get growth? >>neil: and i steer you back, you don't have to dress up. just come as the professor type. a legend of wall street, the former head of american express. want to do business with...