Of pretty much every program rule. if i can do it, being with somebody who tells the truth and not looking to defraud the government, just imagine the people that are actually looking to abuse the program, how great their opportunity is. >> private companies get ripped off, too. but they have more of an incentive to check. it's their own money. >> yeah. that's right. and georgia is actually doing some reforms within the state to try to see if they can mess with that fundamental flawed incentive structure. they're going to start charging $5 for an obama phone. if they have to pay $5, they're le...