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Are involved this these programs, they operate like professionals. and these things are very narrowly snarro narrownarro narrowly circumscribed. in the abstract you can complain about big brother and how this is a potential, you know, program run amuck, but when you actually look at the details, then i think we've struck the right balance. thank you very much, guys. that's it. thank you. >> the president of the united states walking off stage there in san jose, california, a health care event. but what the president ended up talking most about at the end he said he would take one, he came back...

A potential you know program run amuck, when you actually look at the details, then i think we have struck the right balance. particularly difficult for the president to make that case now though because of other alleged abuses of power from the irs to the james rosen case. this is not happening in a vacuum. it's happening after a series of other charges that the government is overreaching right now, shep. >> shepard: there are republican criticisms, crack criticisms and most of those doing the criticizing don't seem to be buying these explanations. >> that's right. now, there are some lawmake...