Challenging -- no labels is the only group that is pursuing ballot access. so the third party can actually be on the ballot. that's why they're more at the forefront at the talk about this. i don't think that a third party is great for joe biden, certainly, when he needs to get that sliver of 5% of voters in the anti trump republicans that propelled him into the office the last round. he won by a pretty narrow margin. this is gonna come down to about 100,000 votes and three key states response in pennsylvania and arizona. >> good point. we have progressive activists, robert cornell west, who f...