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Can around immigration, and it is an open borders perspective? >> well, that requires doing something. >> yes. >> and any time that you have tens of millions of people who are breaking a law, and you can look at it as a lawlessness problem which a lot of people do, and especially the republicans when they talk about this, or you can look at it as a prohibition problems and just like the war on drugs is a prohibition problem particularly on marijuana, in many cases the immigration system here is a prohibition issue, and you are only allowing 50,000 workers from mexico a year. >> well, 10,000 un...

Watchi watching us right now is going to be on this issue. if you're watching at home or you're with us on, yes, decriminalize drugs and how much are folks, i don't know about that how that sounds, and i think one of the reason it is you're on the fence or it sounds terrifying to you that suddenly overnight we would do that, is the idea that prohibition problems and drug problems can't be separated. what are prohibition problems and what are drug problems? >> the prohibition problems, as a former police officer, the prohibition problems involve the distribution of drugs. i don't know what the ...

Enforce and what can be eradicated through enforcement and what cannot be. i want you to talk about what your experience on the front lines was of the plausibility or possibility of enforcement as a means of actually coming to some point in which we have declared victory or won the war on drugs. >> it's simply not going to happen. everyone involved in this knows we can't win. we can sort of the maintain the violence status quo that involves lots of incarceration but it doesn't reduce the violence. just in the last 16 hours there were three shootings and a double stack. you're probably not goin...