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So there is some sense that we need to solve that problem, because president trump kicked that back to congress to give them a six-month deadline to deal with this. we treat immigration in success of presidencies as a criminality program instead of a prohibition problem. there's a lot of people outside the law, it's because they are criminals. we are not thinking about it right. it's because the laws are not acknowledging the reality of supply and up demand here. the realities of supply and demand mean there are a lot of people, especially poor and unskilled people, who want to come in. that m...

Immigration reform is actually at this point actually a bad idea. i agree with him on that. i think you have to de-comprehensivefy it. you have to say, i think the problem is we have insufficient number of legal pieces, and it's a two-bureaucratic system. make that number bigger, and suddenly treat it as a prohibition problem rather than treating it as a criminality problem, and you can flip it. but i think rubio has played it pretty well so far. the thing is, he's now the front-runner in the betting markets. >> if he can -- look, he got away with the cnbc debate, because somehow he never was ...

Getting the government involved every single relationship between consenting adults. usually, we don't like that, suddenly when it's about immigration, they want that to happen t. problem is we don't look at illegal immigration as a prohibition problem. it fundamentally is. when that many people are doing something illegal maybe something is out of line. ronald reagan understood is that. >> understood that and said lets more people that want to work legally. fewer will cheat? >> the trump campaign, you would think republicans don't want this. yet the polls show they do. should undocumented imm...

Congress eventually. the problem is this is just the way politics and deals are getting done now in front of camera and people are trying to make issues out of it. another problem is this is comprehensive. the reformers made the deal of it has to be comprehensive immigration reform. the bigger the deal, the bigger the bill, the harder it is to get things passed and the harder it is for everyone to swallow bits of it. you could chop this up into smaller parts and get something done, recognize this is kind of a prohibition problem because we have prohibitions on what kind of immigrants can come ...

Can around immigration, and it is an open borders perspective? >> well, that requires doing something. >> yes. >> and any time that you have tens of millions of people who are breaking a law, and you can look at it as a lawlessness problem which a lot of people do, and especially the republicans when they talk about this, or you can look at it as a prohibition problems and just like the war on drugs is a prohibition problem particularly on marijuana, in many cases the immigration system here is a prohibition issue, and you are only allowing 50,000 workers from mexico a year. >> well, 10,000 un...