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Cash payments like this are red flags. >> that's exactly right. i mean normal corporations you want to have accurate accounting and you also pay taxes. so why do people pay in cash? that's because they want to avoid what's going out the door and also what's coming in the door. and so this is consistent with us having no transparency on the taxes. but just picking up also on what jeff said, i think what makes this an interesting story for his testimony because it's kind of silly in some ways is that it does show trump went to michael cohen not only as a trusted advisor but what you might call s...

Next year. they suggested that this has no impact on long-term debt, because it's for two years. look, you know this. the only people that will agree with me when i say this are the economists listening, left, right and center. in the middle of a recession where we're just climbing out of it, the economy, unemployment is still at 9.7%. the idea of raising taxes and reducing spending is a prescription for disaster. no one is suggesting that. >> is the balance to that point -- do you think do we think the balance is out of whack? larry summers, the president's top economic adviser, he says the p...

You're the shuttle-ready projects guy. there should be more investment in infrastructure. should there be more of that before we focus on bringing down the deficit? >> we can do both. let me explain what i mean. the omnibus or the -- i'm sorry to sound like a senator here, or a wonk, but in the spending proposal for next year, we freeze discretionary spending. freeze it. freeze it. we think we have to start by -- all those things were tails on them, long-term impact, we should not be spending in those areas and we should be freezing or reducing. on those issues that have no long-term deficit -...