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Is saying but to go back to your question earlier, i think that what i wonder as a journalist is whether they are actually helping or hurting their cause. in one sense they are raising awareness but in another sense people who genuinely support what they are saying are being turned off by their tactics. i remember in october 2019 they stopped tubes here in london, whichjust mystified commuters who were on this energy—efficient electrified railway getting to work. and they glued themselves to the tube trains in the name of extinction rebellion. and people just couldn't connect the dots. and e...

Stopped — remember in october 2019 they stopped tubes here in london, which 'ust stopped tubes here in london, which just mystified commuters who were on this energy— just mystified commuters who were on this energy efficient electrified railway— this energy efficient electrified railway getting to work. and they glued _ railway getting to work. and they glued themselves to the tube trains in the _ glued themselves to the tube trains in the name of extinction rebellion. and people just couldn't connect the dots _ and people just couldn't connect the dots and _ and people just couldn't co...

Problem with these kinds of protest groups. what is the message and how much impact is that having four just much impact is that having four 'ust briefl much impact is that having four 'ust briefly then. — much impact is that having fourjust briefly then, justin, are they going to annoy people more than they are going to achieve their aims? there have been actions that other ektension— there have been actions that other extension rebellion thought were inappropriate. they calibrated this very carefully. they occupy road junctions, — very carefully. they occupy road junctions, but they a...

You shouldn't have been surprised if you were paying attention. where does the truth lie between being prepared, between understanding these elements are very much still at play and not feeling as though we're living in a constant hyper vigilant state for the worst to happen. >> yeah, it's a tricky conundrum because after an incident, whether it's 9/11 or years later, january 6, we tend to get really spun up and we try and react. you have to look at the places both historically and in the contemporary where we're likely to see the sources stand. portland, i was an fbi agent when i started in p...

I remember a law enforcement officer telling me that afternoon, okay, maybe 2,000 felonies up there. so they're doing that. that's great. but that's not going to unearth the other things that we need to know as we needed to know after 9/11. what seeded this riot? who was involved? who was stoking it? what organization or coordination was happening with protest groups that had gotten, you know, permits to protest at the ellipse or nearby capitol. what role, if any, and i, you know, emphasize if any, what role did any republican members have with some of those organizers? because you know, as yo...