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>> chuck, it looks like we are seeing just the early stages of this campaign. and most of the turkish military activity is focused on two villages. what the turkish forces are doing, the turkish military air force, they are attacking the towns and villages around these two large population centers, softening them up, frightening the people, hoping that the people will leave, and according to different ngos, about 65,000 people have already left, predominantly these two areas. and then, they're going in with both ground forces and watch this space. i think this is going to be a profoundly impor...

Toward saudi arabia, that they should pay for our security. i mean, i just find it kind of repulsive, the idea that we are saying that saudi arabia should hire us as mercenaries and, look, i mean, saudi arabia -- my guess is that president trump and saudi arabia are right, that this probably was iran, they're probably using a proxy force. if it was iran, saudi arabia has the right to respond. they have fighter planes. they have missiles. they flew sordies against isis. we don't need to do that for them. this doesn't need to escalate and involve the u.s. in ways that create real risk,000 the re...

The houthis have been using which tells you it was a little more sophisticated and likely came from the shia militias in iraq which are proxy forces for iran. they are definitely using their proxy forces to the fullest. remember hezbollah, proxy force for iran, actions in syria, so they have been disrupted in the middle east of late and i think this was a pretty serious attempt. with the precision, the targeting, the ability to get those drones on target to do their mission, shows you how much they've gained, they being the iranians, in their ability to strike and i think that's why you're goi...

It's a very potent proxy force and the iranians know how to keep their fingerprints off an operation like this, but the suspicion as i said, fred, will be iran. >> so the two attacks alone have shut down half of saudi arabia's oil output. how vulnerable would saudi arabia be feeling about now? >> reporter: well, fred, it's hard to overestimate the effect of this attack because it's not just a fire that's the problem, it is release of poisonous gas, h 2 s, hid row general sulfide. it is deadly gas, will contaminate the infrastructure, and some estimates would put two years to repair it. so this...

With a mine. they said the crew saw some kind of flying object strike the ship. joined now by msnbc political contributor ben rhodes former deputy security adviser to president barack obama. this is a frustrating situation as a journalist and a citizen. we don't see the intelligence and i am a, you know, grew up during the iraq war. i am skeptical. you've worked with the white house, dealt with iranians. what is your read on all this? >> well, my read is in this part of the world all kinds of actors are bumping into each other. the iranians very well could have done this but it could have been...