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Outliers let, the truth starts to dissipate. i'll tell you something about the pens. $1300 pens. you might think what a waste of taxpayer money. what pruitt can use them for ably is to hand them to his friends like the lobbyist whose wife rented him the apartment, his firm needed to update their disclosure firms. will he lobbied the epa or the staffer who pruitt arguably ought to pay for working on government time your taxpayer dollars and mine to help him with real estate. three senators have asked account inspector general to look into that. pens are more practical than you might think. >> y...

What trump is showing is that you just, if you're shapeless enough and you just stay at it, political, legal, and media problems can just be staved off. >> if you repeat your message often enough to a friendly outliers let, the truth starts to dissipate. i'll tell you something about the pens. $1300 pens. you might think what a waste of taxpayer money. what pruitt can use them for ably is to hand them to his friends like the lobbyist whose wife rented him the apartment, his firm needed to update their disclosure firms. will he lobbied the epa or the staffer who pruitt arguably ought to pay for...

In this respect. what trump is showing is that you just -- if you are shameless enough and you just stay at it, political, legal, and media problems can just be staved off. >> if you repeat your message often enough to a friendly outlet, the truth starts to dissipate. i'll tell you something about the pens. $1300 pens. you might think what a waste of taxpayer money. what pruitt can use them for ably is to hand them to his friends like the lobbyist whose wife rented him the apartment, his firm needed to update their disclosure firms. in fact, he had lobbies the epa. take that pen and write that...

There is a sense that there is just one too many ethics problems. look, donald trump's brand was draining the swamp. he doesn't like it when somebody is acting like they are repopulating the swamp instead of draining it. and that is the problem here. >> bret: however, on the flip side, pruitt arguably, as far as cabinet secretaries have done, has ticked off the trump agenda, and reversed the obama agenda when it comes to the epa more than any other cabinet secretary. >> when you look at the personnel trump has dismissed, usually it's because there are some type of policy disagreement. that pla...