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>> so this is like the home loan thing and greeting as -- and getting as many people involved? you can't get rid of the college debt. >> the debt? >> like what you owe. >> the whole machine. from the s.a.t. to the colleges and the grad schools. >> the s.a.t. measures how good of a test taker you are. i crushed the s.a.t.'s. people who did a lot worse on them did better than me in college. i don't think it means anything. i agree some kids can be tutored on top of s.a.t. prep and destroys any notion that it is a fair test of anything. jedediah, talking about essay, they are making it optional. ...

>> the s.a.t. going back to basics. big changes set for 2016. that means if your kid is a ninth grader they'll have new changes. the test will return to that 1600 scoring scale. it had been 2400 for several years. the essay will become optional now, not mandatory. students will no longer be penalized for wrong answers. the head of the college board, which administered this exam says standardized tests have become far too disconnected from the actual work of high school students. and a big knock on this test for so long had been that you know when you look at family income the more money a fami...

That has nothing to do with sports. it's s.a.t. prep and violin lessons and the whole gamut. so sports is just a part of this, i think, larger societal phenomenon. >> you looked at what people are spending on sports, whether it's 101 training, whether it's going to these tournaments, whether it's college recruiting services. what do you discover? >> one thing i discovered is it's a huge industry and $5 billion a year is the figure that's commonly used. i think that's quite conservative. it doesn't capture a lot of things like, you know, travel tournaments. a lot of us have kids who played in t...