Them. as far as -- you know, maybe he found in vicky the weak link, and he wooed her, and she fell for his trap. or maybe she just fell in love with him. i mean, these are questions now with her not being here anymore, we might not ever know. as far as protocol, before i became a deputy u.s. marshal, i worked in a federal correctional facility. there was always a protocol in place. and what it entailed is that if you're going to have somebody set up to go for psych evaluation, for court, for a dentist appointment to an outside facility outside the jail, we're going to know about this weeks in ...