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I don't want to say that this is because they are opposed to donald trump. it does not meet courtroom standard for newsroom standard. that position has been abolished. it is not necessary anymore. but they use to print all kinds of questions on the back page. >> this is the kind of thing where it is like they did say these things, but interesting point about the public editor. it was created after a story that i wrote more than a year ago about jason blair. now, they say we don't need a person checking up on us. >> rick: they haven't set publicly yet, weighed in on the criticism? >> i have thi...

Of -- and if "the new york times" ends up breaking the story about who this person is -- >> well, then -- >> then you've got some real -- you've got some real issues, which is why i think it would be terrific if "the washington post" broke this story. >> but mark leibovich, you can't break this story, can you? margaret's right. margaret sullivan's right. nobody would believe -- >> because i'm not promoting a book. >> yeah, we'll find out what the public editor thinks of that, promoting a book instead of breaking news. >> that's true. i should be finding who wrote that -- no, look. i mean, if -...

Anonymous op-ed that has us asking all of these questions with very little hope of getting answers anytime soon. with me now is margaret sullivan, she's the media columnist for "the washington post," and a former public editor of the "new york times." she is joining along with my panel that's still here, mr. leibovich, miss pletka and mr. kapur. margaret sullivan, i want to start by throwing a tweet back at you. yesterday, you said, i think something along the effects of, boy, i'm glad to be the former -- it's a good day not to be the public editor of the "new york times," that's what it was. ...

That long ago. there are hundreds of thousands of lives hanging in the balance. it shouldn't be a matter of political pride or hubris that stops us from doing the right thing for these people and their families. that's why i believe enough republicans can join us to make this a reality. >> have you heard from anybody from haiti or from africa about what the president said? >> it's interesting, chicago is a big city. a lot of people and a lot of immigrants. and it's interesting how many have come up to me. they usually say hey, durbin, how you doing? that's the most they usually get. but they s...

Major revolt within the president's own party? >> we are witnessing an astounding public indictment of the integrity of a sitting president. >> i call it historic. this is the type of speech that i think tomorrow should be shown, should be listened to by every high school civics class, politics class, history class. brian: right. exactly. unless, of course, you don't agree with senator jeff flake getting a pat on the back by the mainstream media big time after blatzing the sitting president, president trump and the new normal in washington. does he really deserve the praise? here to weigh in "...