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I was struck that that line between those two sides seemed to be pretty strong, certainly in comparison to british newspapers but the coverage of the administration and the headline writing in the way stories are presented, all the way through the paper. not just in the comments section, it feels like it's become completely an anti-trump anti-trump -- >> the times has a liberal editorial page in the coverage seems to lean that way, i will not give you a big argument. there are many, many stories that are negative towards president trump. some is a legitimate reporting. some it's covering his m...

That that line between the two sides seemed to be strong, certainly in comparison to british newspapers. when you see the coverage of the administration and the headline-writing and the way that stories are presented, all the way through the paper, it feels like it's completely an anti-trump publication. >> there was much more of a church and state division when i was in newspapers. if you want to say, yeah, "the times," for example has a liberal editorial page and the coverage leans that way, i will not give you a big argument. there are many, many, many stories are negative to president trum...

He called on for years? >> i think the president made plenty of comments on that front. i think the point is that espn has been hypocritical. they should hold anchors to a fair and consistent standard. espn suspended a long-time anchor linda kohn for expressing a political viewpoint. the network's public editor said that there's a perception that espn is political and that has harmed the network. this is clearly a political statement. they should be consistent in whatever guidelines that they have set themselves in that front. john. i'm sorry. i'm going to try to keep moving to cover as much g...

Years? >> secretary sanders: i think the president has made plenty of comments on that front. espn has been hypocritical, they should hold anchors to a fair and consistent standard. espn suspended a longtime anchor for expressing a political viewpoint. the network's public editor has said there is a perception that espn has become political and that it harms the network. this is clearly a political statement, they should be consistent in whatever guidelines they have set themselves in that front. i am sorry, i'm going to try to keep moving and cover as much ground as possible. go ahead. >> do ...

Hiring all kinds of new people. >> they're moving on directors, bringing in new young people. >> which is the only way the newspaper will survive, i get that. i think symbolically getting rid of their public editor matters, but brian, you know that it's a very hard thing for someone to be paid by the "new york times" and legitimately criticize them is complicated. and liz spade, now, she took on values i believe in, is that in covering trump we should adhere to legacy values of fairness and balance and all that. she was constantly in a way, i think, at odds with the "new york times" which has ...